The two conferences described in this report aimed to go beyond the 'getting to know about self-advocacy' stage and aimed to look at groups already in operation, to see how they are progressing. The support required to help groups run well was also looked at. The broad questions discussed at the conferences were: how are self-advocacy groups developing; what successes have these groups had; what challenges have these groups faced; what are the best ways of helping advisors and other people directly involved in developing self-advocacy; how can a supportive environment for self-advocacy be encouraged and what support can people in senior positions provide. Despite enthusiastic discussions the conferences did not find answers to all these questions.